very apt and interesting for the syllabus issue and PCI situation

Proverbs and Quotes that suit to, as per this situation which has occured:
FOR PCI and Universities or policymakers-
-Everyone make mistakes. The trick is to make them when nobody is looking.
(As Pharm D PB students are still unaware of the syllabus shortcomings and the consequences which may follow because of this)
-Most of the problems comes in life because of 2 reasons:
1.First we act without thinking.
(UNiversity/PCI formulated syllabus of Pharm D(PB) without applying brain/without thinking, because logical sequence is missing in the syllabus...without being made to study basic,fundamental,core and clinically oriented subject like pathophysiology, Pharm D PB students are made to study Pharmacotherapeutics-I,II,III). It seems as if the syllabus is formulated by some beheaded ghost.
2.Second we keep thinking without acting.
(Pharm D(PB) students are still inactive inspite of us Pharm D(PB)students(of NET Pharmacy College), trying to bring this issue in focus so much through the posts.We want other PharmD(PB) students from different colleges under RGUHS to write similar letters as we wrote to Registrar of RGUHS,Dean-faculty of Pharmacy of RGUHS and to the Chairman BOS-RGUHS)JAAGO PHARM D(PB) JAAGO/WAKE UP!!!.
-A compromise is an agreement where both parties get what neither of them wanted.
( Under RGUHS, in 2nd year B.Pharm Pathophysiology is already there so RGUHS University may not keep it again in Pharm D(PB)syllabus, neglecting students like me who have come to pursue Pharm D(PB) in RGUHS after completion of B.Pharm from other PCI recognised colleges under Universities where Pathophysiology was not in our B.Pharm syllabus{though such students are in majority}.I think blame goes to PCI for they could not manage to provide an uniform standard to B.Pharm syllabus and could not match upto global scenario.GOD only knows what this organisation is for???!!!
RGUHS may only add Hospital Pharmacy and community Pharmacy in the Pharm D PB syllabus because these subjects are kept optional in B.pharm syllabus of RGUHS.So thats also the need of those students who did B.Pharm under RGUHS but not opted for the above optional subjects in their B.Pharm and now have decided to pursue Pharm D (PB) under RGUHS only after completion of their B.Pharm.
Students who came from outside universities like R.T.M Nagpur, Osmania, nagarjuna(ANU),Jaipur and etc may become the ultimate sufferers.All thanks to the good job done by PCI for so many years.WOW what a vision of this organisation!!!(sarcasm)
Sorry! readers I dont have much positive things to say!!!

Pharm D(PB) syllabus phewwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just few days back PCI inspection took place in our college ie in NET Pharmacy College,Raichur. We got the opportunity to have a talk about PharmD(PB) syllabus problems with the PCI Inspector Dr.Abhay Dharamsi-Principal Atmiya Sarvoday Kelavani Samaj Sanchalit Institute Of Pharmacy,Rajkot.We even shown him the letter we wrote to the Registrar, Dean and Chairman of RGUHS and same we sent to PCI President Dr. B.Suresh.
When we discussed that how these problems have evolved because of non-uniformity of B.Pharm syllabus among all over the different universities of india.To this , he responded by remarking that PCI is only responsible for D.Pharm, PharmD, and PharmD(PB)courses and not for B.Pharm and M.Pharm courses, whereas B.Pharm and M.Pharm courses are responsibility of AICTE. Further he added that Pharmacy in India have many fathers and thats why all these problems came into existence.
When we asked him what should be our set of line of action, in order to solve our syllabus issues, he replied that our direct approach and all communications about this issue should be with first the owner or management of the respective college and finally with RGUHS university, as University has the power to add the required subjects but not delete the subjects in a course.Also he said that even if this requires the university to add, and the students to study additional 6 months or 1 year, to cover these subjects in their syllabus, Pharm D(PB) students should be mentally prepared and ready for the same as those 6 months or 1 year will make their future years of their long career and life smooth and comfortable. Same was conyeved to us by our Principal Dr H. Doddaya long back ago.They both said these additions must be done so as we students become effective and competitive clinical pharmacists.
My personal take on this issue is that if PCI has started Pharm D(PB) course and consider itself morally responsible for the good future and careers of the students who are pursuing this course than it must see to it that PB syllabus in RGUHS is upto the mark and those who will pass this course will be certified rationally only after they have studied and appeared for exams in all the basic and core subjects like (Pathophysiology,Hospital Pharmacy and community Pharmacy),despite AICTE related hurdles, because a genuine and legal father should always feel concern about his children. It seems as if  this syllabus has been structured by some beheaded ghost. And ofcourse we NET Pharm D(PB)students dont mind continuing our study for additional 6 months or 1 year,if the additions are made as soon as possible ,in effect for 2011-2012.I hope and believe other Pharm D(PB) students from other colleges under RGUHS, also dont mind the same.
Also such requests and letters must come from other PharmD(PB)colleges .Another thing is that it would be a lot more easier and convenient for Bangalore PharmD(PB)students to go and communicate directly and frequently with the chairman, dean (faculty of Pharmacy, RGUHS) rather than NET students, Raichur to do the same. So I request Pharm D(PB)students of colleges of bangalore to please do the same.

A similar issue

A batch from VLCP suffered similar glitch for more than 15 years . No state board of pharmacy wanted to register only people passed in those 2 to years .So, no body could n't go to any forien countries to do job.  Their juniors can regsiter and their seniors can register but not only their batch + 2 more batches.
.They as a team brought college, university and PCI to court . The case ran for 10 years and nothing happend. Finally someone taught them art of Negotiation. So their seniors like Ramana Reddy formed a team and strated negotiating with college, university , and PCI. It took sometime but finally their batch got recognisized. So, blaming or making noise may get "attention" but may not solve actual problem..

The issue of Pharm D and Pharm D(PB) syllabus

Even we are trying to put this issue infront of other principals and students of other Pharm D(PB) colleges so that they may also write and demand for the same.We are sending mails to as many of them as we can. You see right now not many people are aware of the issue and the consequences. And yes, its not all about American dream(though it counts),...The main issue is that the syllabus of Pharm D(PB)course is lacking the core,basic, clinically oriented subjects like Pathophysiology, Hospital Pharmacy and community Pharmacy under RGUHS.Pharm D and Pharm D(PB) is all about clinical orientation isn't it? As we mentioned in our letter to Registrar RGUHS,Pharmacotherapeutics I,II,III subjects are based upon Pathophysiology.

 However PCI should not be excused from the accusation that PCI failed to provide an uniform,common for all and a complete syllabus for Pharm D(PB) students ,any course is structured so as some logical sequence is there....u should not make study a student of 1st class physics without making him first study ABCD alphabets.....similarly all pharmacy students should have studied pathophysiology first in B.Pharm only and then pharmacotherapeuticsI,II.and III.But since PCI is afterall PCI, they never taken care that one uniform syllabus should be made for all the universities. This PharmD course is also directly copied from USA system of education.... why PCI could also have structured such a syllabus earlier only, but never- we know only to do copy from USA...we will never take first step.Moreover in RGUHS, it seems they structured or copied the syllabus without using brains.even RGUHS doesnt know how to copy properly!!! And I can't blame anyone else because I expect vision of an Organisation to be broader than a student's or than an individual's. okay but now what is there in our hands is- we must ask our university that atleast before we pass out these basic subjects should be taught to us...

So what I want to say is that without being made to study these core subjects (or without the inclusion of these subjects in our transcripts) , what will be the value of our degree/qualification? Moreover these subjects are included in the Pharm D(6 years) syllabus,so they dont need to worry...But what about us Pharm D(PB)?
again as this course is clinically oriented, when we will pass out and will be in clinical field/hospitals, we will be working along with physicians...I fear what will happen when suppose during an interaction they will ask us a simple basic question about pathophysiology eg. whats the functions of IL-1, IL-6 etc and we will fail to reply.Again they may make fun of us as addressing us "compounder turned doctors".Sir we wont be an effective and competitive clinical pharmacist which is the central objective of this course.

PCI is the parent organisation.we must put this issue infront of them, into their ears.sir I sincerely request you to take this issue to PCI and our university registrar, dean and chairman(Board of studies).we NET PharmD people did our bit by posting letters to PCI and RGUHS people through our principal and also high level management of our college has also assured us that they will, at their level, take this issue further to the policy makers.But for this to happen successfully and fast, such voices should come and raise also from other PB students from other colleges and universities.We learnt similar syllabus problems are there within many universities.Because honestly we are very small in strength esp PB ...hardly few all over India...and this only is the reason that such blunder happened in formulating the syllabus by PCI or respective universities,, however, well, we are bothered only about RGUHS syllabus....so now we do need to take some disperate steps as fast as possible so that we the current batch can also may get benefitted.No fun if PCI make additions in the syllabus after we all pass out. Again like America did, they will also make ammendments/laws that PB students from _year to _year are only eligible and rest are not..... You will understand my point better if you look into the FPGEC bulletin 2011(availble for free download -search in google-easily you may find).

In reference to PharmD(PB) students, i feel PCI should see to it that whosoever gets the degree PharmD, certified by them, should have basic knowledge in a subject like pathophysiology, hospital pharmacy and community pharmacy.if there are discriminations between PharmD and PharmD(PB), those should be rectified on ground level......one same ground/course for each PharmD student.....afterall we PharmD(PB) students will also be certified as PharmD...we all are supposed to be called as Doctor Of Pharmacy.pathophysiology is the essence of PharmD and Pharm D(PB) course.
unless child wont cry, even mother wont feed the child her milk. similarly i am making hue and cry here on this wall so that this hunger in us Pharm D(PB) students gets into notice of our parent organisation PCI. we even wrote and posted letters regarding this issue to PCI president and our university registrar.

 Again the same thing I am saying that the ultimate sufferers will be guys like me PharmD(PB) who dont have BASIC FUNDAMENTAL CORE CLINICALLY ORIENTED SUBJECTS{LIKE PATHOPHYSIOLOGY,HOSP PHARMACY ,COMMUNITY PHARMACY ON WHICH OTHER SUBJECTS ARE BASED LIKE PHARMACOTHERAPEUTICS-I,II,III in their syllabus and that makes us quite a looser in terms of competency and effectivity when we speak of clinical Pharmacist. WE dont want to fell short and feel ashamed when we will pass out and be in same clinical field along with physicians. Also our agenda is just that we want RGUHS or PCI to include these basic subjects in our PB syllabus...ONE COMMON GROUND AND COURSE FOR ALL PHARM D AND PHARMD PB GRADUATES... we must get fair opportunity to study these basic clinically oriented subjects- as afterall Pharm D and PharmDPB are all about clinical Pharmacy.

Well its up to University i guess.

Even B-pharmacy & M-pharmacy each university has different syllabus . So, its up to the university i guess .

many people have this notion

Many people have this notion that those students of Pharm D(PB) who dont have Pathophysiology or other basic subjects in their syllabus, are suffering purely becoz of their own fault or their universities fault as they didnt included these subjects in their B.Pharm syllabus.... For such people I would like to clarify that I did my B.Pharm from J.L. Chaturvrdi college of Pharmacy which is a PCI approved college under Nagpur university.So this is not a matter of individual universities and their syllabus. this is about PCI.... look this is a transition period for everybody, that I agree, even for PCI...Uptill 2008 even Pharmacy was industry oriented in india , only with the advent of Pharm D and Pharm D(PB) it has become clinically oriented.
   
My point is that either PCI shud have not approved such colleges and universities who didnt included such mentioned basic subjects in their syllabus or PCI should have made ammendments or notifications that students who didnt had mentioned basic subjects in their B.Pharm cant switch to Pharm d(PB). Now once PCI has approved or allowed students like me , who didnt had these basic subjects in their B.pharm,to get admission in PharmD(PB) , then this becomes their responsibility that they see to it that we students are awarded the Pharm D degree rationally and logically with all basic subjects covered. There should be one uniform common identical syllabus for all Pharm d or PharmD(PB) students.There shud be no discriminations. we must get fair chance

PHARM D(PB) course is a failure of PCI

PCI failed to provide an uniform, common for all and a complete syllabus for Pharm D (PB) students.